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September 6, 2012 at 9:42 am #19979xdcmaniacParticipant
Guys,
I’m going to make my first ever controversial post, but please read the following understanding that non of which that’s written below is a rant or a moan. I’m simply opening up a topic for debate…
I came back to XDC in November 2010 having been a survivor since 1999! So, I feel I can speak up a little….
I’d like to raise the issue of recruitment – It seems that the majority of us have left BF3 behind a little bit, which is understandable with the game coming up on it’s one year anniversary in October. However, I also think that as a team/clan/collective we’ve missed an opportunity to get some new BF3 players into XDC to explore the more tactical and team orientated side of the game. I know that most folks like to play casually, so do I sometimes, but I’d personally like to raise the standard a little and get into some proper competitive type play. The problem with our current membership is simply life. We have a very mature membership, and as such life gets in the way (for me too!), and I’m glad that in XDC everyone has a choice to how casual or otherwise we play the game. For a while earlier on the year I was playing quite a bit of Squad rush with Paddy, Johnny, and Doc which to me epitomises the tactical and intensity that can be garnered from BF3. I think it would be great to actively look for mature, good natured chaps who also want to get a little tactical and competitive. As a group, we have some fucking amazing individual players, and I think everyone who plays is at quite a high standard. But if your like me, and want a bit more out of BF, XDC at the moment does not offer that.
I’ve been playing a bit with Blackadder and his mates, who are ALWAYS on line but never use TS, which I really dislike. One critical component to BF3 is communication and it’s pretty frustrating as good as those guys are to play alongside.I’ll admit right now I’ve spoken to other groups, but I’d never be prepared to leave XDC, but I want to get my game going! Having spoken to said groups, I think we offer something thats pretty rare, which is a good laugh, good players and no bullshit (unless Paddy starts one of his “rants”) 😆
So, what do you all think? Should we look to keep on with BF3, expand it both in numbers and tactically, maybe even re-populate our forever empty server? I’m not saying we start getting the many many many cock’s that populate the game’s community, but maybe a well worded post on the recruitment section of the battle log forums and then let the normal XDC procedure run it’s course.
September 6, 2012 at 9:47 am #83531XDCMADMAXParticipantI’m always up for some competitive play – f ave it
September 6, 2012 at 10:55 am #83532LammieParticipantI know your keen to get some competitive action going but start two threads on the same topic? 😀 I’ll be on a lot more now I’ve built my new PC and will be expecting to be used as cannon fodder as usual.
Hopefully will get on tonight and will jump in TS too!!
September 6, 2012 at 12:08 pm #83533XDCMADMAXParticipantAve it Lammie!
September 6, 2012 at 2:07 pm #83534xdcmaniacParticipant@Lammie wrote:
I know your keen to get some competitive action going but start two threads on the same topic? 😀 I’ll be on a lot more now I’ve built my new PC and will be expecting to be used as cannon fodder as usual.
Hopefully will get on tonight and will jump in TS too!!
Eh? Have I duplicated this somewhere else. ❓
September 6, 2012 at 2:21 pm #83535XDCMADMAXParticipantyep!
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September 6, 2012 at 2:28 pm #83525xdcmaniacParticipantSuch a NOOB!
September 6, 2012 at 4:20 pm #83526AlzirKeymasterI’ll tidy it then post a wall of text 🙂
September 6, 2012 at 4:25 pm #83527xdcmaniacParticipantSeptember 6, 2012 at 5:30 pm #83528AlzirKeymasterI suppose you will probably believe this but i’m sitting now in the au bar with a notepad, and on my 4 th page soshouldn’t disappoint on the mini novel front.
September 6, 2012 at 5:34 pm #83529AlzirKeymasterHaving to fight the women off obviously, so may take an hour or two until I post it 😉
September 6, 2012 at 6:20 pm #83530xdcmaniacParticipant@Alzir wrote:
Having to fight the women off obviously, so may take an hour or two until I post it 😉
Rigggghhhhhht 😯
Anyway, why bother writing war and peace? A simple Yea, thats a good idea lets discuss further or Nah, thats a shite idea will do.
Also before you do post, I noticed you echoed many of my sentiments in this post from back in 2009.
September 6, 2012 at 7:00 pm #83536xdc the docParticipantYou idiot ben – you should have kept his old words to hit him in case he made a contrary post. 😆
Some facts
1) Ben should of course be taken round the back and summarily executed for this sort of talk.
2) He is only posting tonight cause when he approached the other groups he mentioned…. they watched him play BF3 and told him he was too shite.
3) This thread comes up every year or two – sometimes it causes a small flash… sometimes it causes all out flame wars and deep schisms for bizarre reasons that no one can quite understand the day after. Beware! 😀
4) Is there any competitive scene for squad rush? It would by far be the easiest to set up / get regular players for if there was.September 6, 2012 at 7:42 pm #83537AlzirKeymasterI don’t think there’s anything controversial about this post Ben and I’ve actually been sitting on something similar, only delayed by the DayZ period and now Planetside 2. There’s nothing in what you’ve said that I disagree with so I’ll just give you my own thoughts on where we are and what I’d like to do.
First thing is that because we have all got more responsibilities since the old days, it’s a lot harder now getting sufficient numbers of us together to do anything beyond squadding up, but if you look at the kind of numbers we get on TS during our best days, there are clearly a lot of us still playing games regularly. From your perspective you may not see this as you tend to stick to a later time slot, but even still I’d love to increase that number, and I think recruitment is pretty much the only way to do it.
The problem is how do we go about it because aside from teamwork and knowing each other really well, what does XDC actually offer? I suppose on that you could say that we have facilities in place that help nuture the community we’ve built here, but even there not everyone uses them (TS and the forums), plus we really could do a lot better in that respect, using them to organise events which are so rare that I can count them on my fingers.
Having said that, I think a genuine community is rare online, so it makes me wonder why I ended that last paragraph with a negative tone. Perhaps it’s because XDC feels smaller these days, and smaller still because we we all seem to be pulling in different directions. The hardcore vs proper mode is a case in point, as it’s had the effect of dividing us to the where I’ve questioned whether we’re all as like minded as we like to think.
Reality is though that as time goes on people diverge in opinion and settle on their own styles, and in that we’re no different. We can’t go on constantly dividing the same piece of cake though, or we’ll end up with nothing to work with, so what can we do?
There are two options if we want to grow:1 – Each go about our own business and recruit into two seperate sections of XDC, gay and straight (you choose ;))
2 – Pool our resources with a common goal in mind, and compromise.
I like option 2, and recently we’ve had a few nights on our server, when in trying to fill it, we may have stumbled upon the solution. There have been maybe 8 to 10 of us online and divided between two teams, and while this has to date failed to fill the server, we’ve really had some outstanding games trying. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the teamwork and competition, and given how long the games have gone on for, I can only assume I was not the only one enjoying it.
Here’s a proposal then, we pick a day (sunday evening maybe?), jump on TS and our server, then either pick teams or let the server decide, plus divide ourselves into seperate channels, then go at each other. We setup the server beforehand with match settings, which means hardcore in all but the damage, and advertise it in the server name. If people join great, if not, we’ll have great games anyway, and that leads me onto the next point, though excuse me as I change the subject slightly first.
If you look at the last few FPS that I’ve played (BF3 and TF2), the biggest and best communities have centred and grown around either podcasts or youtube. No longer, it seems, are forums the centre of community activity, unless in a small group such as ourselves. You still have big forums out there sure, but the community feel of past sites, such as battlefied1942.co.uk and wireplay, is not easily found, if possible at all. We should really consider this going forward because we may have procrastinated here to the point where we’ve fallen behind the curve online.
It’s an ambitious thought, but as I suggested to max the other night and in numerous walls of text to other Ben in work, why not create our own youtube channel? It would certainly be difficult creating something worth listening to or watching, but I’ve seen a lot of channels on youtube where the main man’s only talent is in spouting continuous streams of drivel, yet still achieving subscriber numbers in the thousands! If we could get with the times and start putting what we do on show, it can only create interest, even if it’s just internal, but if external then it’ll only attract people we’ll be interested in ourselves.
If we go back to the idea of matching ourselves against each other in a sunday evening event, why don’t we fraps it to post on youtube, then see what it reaps. We can do this with normal gameplay as well, no matter what the game, and once we get the hang of it, put up our own commentaries. It’s a challenging prospect, but we sell ourselves as team orientated and playing the objects, so that any subscribers we may pick up may be interested enough to join our server when they see activity there.
Most of you will have seen Stalker’s sniper shotgun montages, and as an example of what youtube can achieve, consider that even 6 months later he still sees people joining his games and commenting on what they’ve seen, clearing having tracked him down through battlelog. Could we get the same through a group effort?
There’s also the prospect of new games, such as Planetside 2, which is promising, though I’m still undecided on it’s long term appeal, but also DayZ plus anything else that may appear randomly. BF4 is a year or so away as well, so to get ourselves set in motion down this path can only put us in a better position once it’s released.
It would certainly move us out of the comfort zone we’re currently sitting in, and provide an interesting challenge that may result in a lot of fun along the way.
September 6, 2012 at 7:46 pm #83538AlzirKeymaster4) Is there any competitive scene for squad rush? It would by far be the easiest to set up / get regular players for if there was.
There are a couple of ladders out there, but overall there’s fuck all competition for BF3, even now. We have DICE to thank for that as, despite promising to realise it, they’ve failed to deliver a battle recorder. This amongst other things.
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