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yep will be getting it also… in the abscence of our own server and if anyone fancies playing some decent games you will find me mostly playing on the 1PARA Server.
@xdc the doc wrote:
Others it will just fuck up all the time as they never keep drivers updated properly.
I would say avoid this… it smacks of marketing genius to me.
Some applications make sense – i.e. stalker is playing over 3 screens I think – when you start doing that kind of stuff then it might make sense.
Now it’s not very often I agree with Doc…. but in this case I do tend to agree and this is from personal experience of running SLi. Based on my experience i only got around 10- 15% max and that was depending on the game and when you look at the cost vs performance gain it is a bit of marketing hype.
That’s not to say it doesn’t work, it does, just not as well as the marketing would have you believe.
from what I’m lead to believe the only requirement is you must be a premium member. As I still haven’t have an email I cannot confirm if this was just a small initial intake or part of a wider inclusion
According the the word on the street BF4 Beta available from tomorrow… keep checking emails for an invite. I’ve not got one yet but I do know a few that have the invite and showing as availabe in Origin from tomorrow 🙂
@Alzir wrote:
Well if you’ve not got that installed yet, get on it and we’ll get some wing walking, jeep races, and loop the loops on gazala, on the go asap 🙂
What he said ^^ get it done Eggy
At the risk of doing a Doc… 😛 That’s not what I meant. I should have been clearer with the challenge in that you are not pricing my PC but the one that I selected from Partpicker as a comparison to the orginal quote posted by WET. So the mission should you choose to accept it is.. Pick the same parts I’ve listed from a prebuider and see if you can get it within £200 of the of my overall price of £1178.
This must include the same parts,and an OS.
I’ve posted the quote from the previous page for you.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£166.79 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£59.00 @ Ebuyer)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver Arctic Alumina 5g Thermal Paste (£7.27 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LX ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£83.98 @ Dabs)
Memory: Kingston Predator Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£110.60 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5″ Solid State Disk (£128.60 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5″ 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.50 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (£279.98 @ Novatech)
Sound Card: Creative Labs SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (£63.49 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master Silencio 550 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£60.23 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: OCZ ZT 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£67.99 @ Dabs)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£11.66 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHOS104-06 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Drive (£22.98 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£68.35 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1178.42
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-06 11:10 BST+0100)LOL arguing on the internet is what it was invented for was it not? 😀
@Alzir wrote:
Just to further my query slightly, wet’s prebuild board supports the higher fsb, so am I right in the slight performance gain part of my previous statement? The internet told me yes when I researched it a while back, but that was about 6 months ago.
Yes, if the board supports the higher speed memory. How much performance gain versus price differential is another debate! 😀
Matt, reference your FSB Query. Yes it is right to say the ultimate speed and performance of memory is wholly limited to the FSB of the system board. Yes you can try and save a few quid and get slower memory and overclock it but it can get a bit more complicated than that as you need to factor in timings, clock cycles and voltages. But in general terms you are correct. So if a board is rated at a maximum FSB of say 1666Mhz it will only support memory of that speed so putting faster memory is of no consequence and the board can only run it at it’s rated speed.
Doc, you are correct regarding the removal of said Soundcard , based on previous posts the general consensus of advice offered to wet was not to waste money on it, yourself included. Regardless of wether the saving is £138 or £400 the point is you can save money and invest it elsewhere on the build or piss it up the wall.
Re overclocked bundle, again there isn’t an option for this via PartPicker but it’s made so much easier now via apps that come shipped with the MB it’s almost irrelevant. You don’t even need to go into the BIOS in most cases now and fanny around with a multitude of settings, and hope it doesn’t blue screen at boot or go up in a puff of smoke.
At the end of the day, It’s really shouldn’t be about having to prove or disprove one postion over the other. WET asked for some advice he has recieved a range of views and untimately it’s up to WET wether or not to take that advice.
As you seem so determined to prove your point lets examine this further to see if your argument holds water. If you can prove me wrong I’ll hold my hands up and admit defeat (maybe…) So I counter challenge you find a prebuild system with the same compents I’ve posted (forget the overclocking bit at the minute as it’s irrelevant) within the magic £200 window.
@Lammie wrote:
When I have more time today I will have a proper look around and price something that is more comparable to PCSpecialist one.
Ok had some time this morning to have another look using Ben’s link to Part Picker. This is a close as I could get to the WET’s original quote with the only noticeable difference being the memory is a Kingston Hyper X Predator instead of the Kingston Hyper X Beast. Also this memory is 1866 and not 2400 not because of cost, but because that exact part wasn’t listed on the site. I’ve also added a more expensive cooler as the H40 wasn’t listed either.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£166.79 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£59.00 @ Ebuyer)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver Arctic Alumina 5g Thermal Paste (£7.27 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LX ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£83.98 @ Dabs)
Memory: Kingston Predator Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£110.60 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5″ Solid State Disk (£128.60 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5″ 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.50 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (£279.98 @ Novatech)
Sound Card: Creative Labs SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (£63.49 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master Silencio 550 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£60.23 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: OCZ ZT 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£67.99 @ Dabs)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£11.66 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHOS104-06 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Drive (£22.98 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£68.35 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1178.42
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-06 11:10 BST+0100)So, still £138.58 saving which could go towards something else like a monitor. If you took away the sound card theres another 60 odd quid so total savings push toward the £200 mark.
If fact, If I removed the sound card and the orginal saving with it included then total cost saving would be… £202.47 therefore, I win the challenge! :P. Seriously though, there are savings to be had, depends on whether your willing to pay the extra premuim for someone to build it for you and peace of mind.
When I have more time today I will have a proper look around and price something that is more comparable to PCSpecialist one.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not knocking them, I know a few people who have bought from them and nothing but praise for the service they offer. £100 or £300, is better in my pocket than some one elses. When I was looking at mine I seriously considered a pre build more from a laziness point of view more than anything else but, to get the same spec I built pushed the price beyond my budget. When you when you consider I’ve spent almost the last 20 years working with Computer Hardware in one form or another it was a luxury I couldn’t afford!
@xdc the doc wrote:
Hey lets put this baby to bed – if any1 can be arsed… go through WETs build.
Prove to me you can get a machine EXACTLY LIKE THIS for at least 200 quid cheaper than PC specialist are selling it for and post links to the components you have sourced.
It needs to be pre overclocked – but plenty of component sellers will sell you overclocked chips.
I would argue that setting up all the system and troubleshooting it is worth a fair bit too – but lets just take that out of the equation.
Genuinely wanting to see an answer to this.
Your on….
So here is what WET got quoted from pcspecialist-
Case
COOLERMASTER SILEO 500 QUIET MID TOWER CASE
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked Intel® Core™i5-3570k Quad Core (3.40GHz @ max 4.60GHz)
Motherboard
ASUS® P8Z77-V LX: USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, ATI®CrossFireX
Memory (RAM)
16GB KINGSTON HYPERX BEAST DUAL-DDR3 2400MHz X.M.P (4 x 4GB KIT)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 670 – 2 DVI, HDMI, DP – 3D Vision Ready
Memory – 1st Hard Disk
240GB INTEL® 520 SERIES SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB 3.5″ SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 32MB CACHE
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Memory Card Reader
INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (XD, MS, CF, SD, etc) + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W ENTHUSIAST SERIES™ TX650 V2-80 PLUS® BRONZE (£69)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H40 Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler (£39)
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND (£9)
Sound Card
Creative Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ Xtreme Audio (£32)
Network Facilities
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT – AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 8 64 Bit – inc DVD & Licence (£79)
Office Software
NO OFFICE SOFTWARE
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build – Approximately 9 to 11 working days
Miscellaneous
FREE METRO: LAST LIGHT GAME with GTX 660 & UPWARDS GPUs!
Quantity
1Price: £1,317.00 including VAT and delivery.
Spending half an hour or so having a quick scout around….
Case: Cooler Master Sileo 500 £61.79 ebuyer – http://www.ebuyer.com/155062-coolermaster-sileo-500-black-case-no-psu-rc500kkn1gp
Overclocked Motherboard bundle: INTEL IVYBRIDGE Core i5 3570K, THERMALTAKE CONTAC29 Silent Cooler, ASUS P8Z77-V LX (New Z77 Chipset) OR GIGABYTE Z77-D3H (New Z77 Chipset) PATRIOT VIPER RED V3 8GB 1600Mhz – £309.99 Palicomp – http://www.palicomp.co.uk/intel-amd-cpu-bundles-cpu-motherboard-ram-combo/overclocked-intel-core-i5-3570k-ivybridge-bundle/prod_338.html
Graphics Card: PNY GTX 670 XLR8 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card with FREE ASSASSINS CREED III Download Coupon + Metro Last Light game coupon £262.76 ebuyer – http://www.ebuyer.com/368523-pny-geforce-gtx-670-2gb-gddr5-dvi-dvi-hdmi-displayport-pci-e-graphics-gf670gtx2gepb
1st HDD – SSD Samsung 250GB 840 Series SSD £135.78 ebuyer – http://www.ebuyer.com/409850-samsung-250gb-840-series-ssd-mz-7td250bw
2nd HDD Seagate 1TB Barracuda Internal Hard Drive SATA-III 3.5″ Hard Drive, 7200RPM, 64 MB Cache, 1 Year Manufacturer Warranty £49.98 ebuyer – http://www.ebuyer.com/search?sort=price+ascending&a05320=SATA-III&4=1000&subcat=3265&cat=392&page=1
Ist Optical Drive – Blu Ray Drive – LiteOn IHOS104 SATA Blu-Ray Optical Drive | OEM. BD-ROM, DVD-ROM, Up to 4x Blu-Ray Read Speeds, SATA Connection, Software Included. £22.98 ebuyer – http://www.ebuyer.com/339402-liteon-ihos104-sata-blu-ray-optical-drive-oem-ihos104-06
2nd Optical Drive – DVD RW – Liteon Ihas120 20x Dvd±rw (dual ±r)/ram Sata Drive, £14.00 ebuyer – http://www.ebuyer.com/410561-liteon-ihas120-20x-dvd-rw-dual-r-ram-sata-drive-ihas120-04
Power Supply – Corsair TX 650W PSU – 80plus Bronze Certified, 8x SATA Connectors, 2x PCI-Express Connectors, 8x 4pin Molex Connectors, 80plus Bronze Certified Efficiency, A dedicated single +12V rail, ultra-quiet 140mm double ball-bearing fan £71.25 ebuyer – http://www.ebuyer.com/257232-corsair-tx-650w-psu-80plus-bronze-certified-cp-9020038-uk
CPU Cooler – Corsair Hydro H40 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+/FM1/775//1155/1156/1366) £38.95 Overclockers – http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-012-CS
Thermal Paste – Arctic Cooling MX-4 Thermal Compound (4g) £8.99 Overclockers – http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=TH-003-AR
Soundcard Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio 7.1 Sound Card – OEM (PCI-Express) (30SB104200000) £35.99 Overclockers – http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SC-052-CL&groupid=701&catid=11
Operating System – Microsoft Windows 8 64-bit DVD – OEM (Window 7 64-Bit OEM same price) £69.99 – ebuyer – http://www.ebuyer.com/407517-microsoft-windows-8-64-bit-dvd-oem-wn7-00403
Total : £1082.45 Whist not an exact match to the pcspecialist quote, not far off from a quick wizz around the interwibble 😀 So, the above equates to a potential saving of £234.55 and if you looked harder you could probably shave a few more quid of the overall price.
@xdc the doc wrote:
Just to make sure peeps know what they are talking about re price… Lammies set up looks OK – but eggs build is pre overclocked, has a bigger SSD, expensive after market cooler, a GFX card that is much better (twice as expensive at any rate) pre built and has a return to base warranty for the whole system (not just components).
Only if money is not an issue.The point being, WET was looking for a PC that would play latest titles that wouldn’t also break the bank. Mine was an alternative to what he selected as a pre build and showed where on a tight budget you could make savings. It not about comparing apples for apples per se.
If I set out with a budget of £1000 for agruments sake and compared what I could get from a pre builder versus what I could get for same money if I built it myself then hands down I would get more for the money – fact. I don’t have the overheads of a business, and I dont need to build in margins to make money. They do or they wouldn’t be in business very long.
@xdc the doc wrote:
I keep saying this – but the idea that you can build your own system for a lot cheaper than from one of these build companies is in general not true anymore – though people keep coming out with it as if it is true!
I disagree, I spent months looking at all the options and for the money I wanted to spend, there were too many compromises with pre builds versus buying components and building it yourself. Yes you get a return to base warranty for the first 12 months, but all they are essentially providing is the manufacturer warranty that you get with each component anyway so it’s a mute point.
@xdc the doc wrote:
re GFX cards. In my mind ATI give better value for money, they are also a must if you want to mine bitcoins (though soon they will be superseded so not a hige factor) NVIDIA has CUDA though – basically if you want to do video stuff… NVIDIA is still the way to go.
Agree, generally Nvidia have extra features that AMD(ATI) don’t have. However, there is a premium and depending on which card you go for doesn’t always equate to greater overall performance. Yes it may be future proof the system a bit longer but modern components from a reputable manufacturer generally are much more reliable than the used to be unless you want to overclock beyond the manufacturers core settings. Same applied to CPU’s car engine etc. They are set a core clock speed to maintain the longevity of the product. Bottom line, system builders take the hassle out of the process, but they also do it for a premium.
@xdc the doc wrote:
If i had the extra money i would go for Eggs system rather than Lammies… bit more future proofed and less could go wrong.
Goes without saying, if you have the extra money then you can get what you like. If your on a budget, you have have to choose your hardware carefully and make sure they are all compatible with each other.
I’m more than happy with my choices and they meet my needs and the budget I had available at the time.
Doesn’t really matter to be honest you just get a few extra bells and whistles but nothing that would detract from a decent all round OS. Personally for a gaming PC I would use Win 7. Win 8 more geared up for touch screen type etc but would probably work all the same.
I agree with the larger SSD, I would have gone bigger had the budget allowed but it’s quite a price jump so settled on the 128gb. With regards to the Nvidia vs AMD all much the same but Nvidia cards are generally a lot more pricey. My advice is set a maxium budget your willing to spend and stick to it and then get the best components you can for that price.
I spent litterally months comparing prices, reviews, budgets but settled on the £800 -£850 mark which will still get you a decent gaming rig. You can always add to it later as funds permit. Get a solid foundation and the rest will take care of itself.
