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@Lensman wrote:
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@LeGIt wrote:
Not really – more speed = same reaction time but by the time you react you have covered a larger distance…..
Jesus – it’s like arguing with a fucking amoeba. Car pulls out 50 yards in front of you and you have half the time time to react doing 60 not 30. Actually less, when you factor in the different stopping distances.
Oh, why bother…….
No .. you have half the time to cover the same distance or double the distance over the same period of time, whatever, but someone’s acual reaction will always take the same amount of time. It takes 2 seconds to react on average and it usually always will. And yes – it is like I’m arguing with amoebas ๐
At the end of the day none of you have ever done it so none of you are qualified to accurately comment until lyou do. Don’t stay on your moral high ground with the bs that it’s dangerous as if you actually did do it you would see it’s not really that dangerous at all, providing you do things within reason. You do not have to pactually stop to avoid a collision, you can justa s easily slow down or change direction…
@wheels wrote:
[Im not going to say i,ve never broken the speed limit, coz i would be lieing if i did, but there is a time and a place, and its not in a 30 mph speed limit!
I am young (ish) but not new ๐ Used to ride off road before all the sites either got closed down for redevelopment or old farts started moaning. Once I fell off a monkey bike and had Honda burned onto my leg ๐ But rode Yamaha TY80, Suzuki TS80, Kawasaki (whatever 125), Suzuki RM250 and Kawasaki Z440 (and those are the ones I can remember) before I was even in my teens. In my teens used to ride various friends bikes, usually over the moors.
Maybe I’m a bit backwards but after my crashes I find it easier, safer and more comfortable doing it in urban areas and in the nice country roads I tend to go the speed limit (as slow as the road allows) – before my crashes it was the normal way around ๐ …. but then bouncing off a car with your face amongst other things would screw anyone up a bit ๐ But in any case, if you don’t do over 30 in a 30 zone, then maybe it’s a bit hard for you to accurately comment?
I’m a KTM Duke II rider now though, the back end doesn’t want to do anything else but go sidweways -_- Supermotard FTW!! I can’t really go too fast on this bike even if I wanted to, 110mph top speed and it takes forever to get there, I mostly ride it 40-60 depending on mood and conditions. I miss not having 4 cyclinders to whack on the power, but in the meantime my single is enough fun untill I build my zer0 cyclinder ๐
But still, it’s not all bollocks ๐
EDIT: And spunker returns :O
That has happened many times but never collided. Check the mirrors. cover the brakes, ease off the throttle a bit and align slightly away from them -_- If they didn’t pull out there is no problem and if they do you’re ready to deal with it. It has happened a few times @ 30mph though… when the guys decide to pull out into the side of me as I’m going past…. They look left then pull out right =/
My logic isn’t fucked up, it’s perfectly fine, though a bit literal…
Not really – more speed = same reaction time but by the time you react you have covered a larger distance. You have to look real far ahead, right into the distance, so you can plot what is happening and plan for what will happen before you get there. Most people really don’t need to react in any shape or form to be overtaken so in a lot of cases it’s not really a problem….
Because what people understand as wrong is wrong. I’m not trying to convert people to my way of thinking, but they should atleast be open to it and understand it before they reject it. It seems more like people are slating it because they feel they’re supposed to without actually considering, or admitting the possibility that some of my shit makes sense. There are race tracks, but onless you have about รฦรโรยขรขโยฌร ยกรฦรขโฌลกรโรยฃ20k for 1 season alone, with that being minus van and mechanics and tryes, then it ain’t happening. Track days are a waste of time because the insurance is so expensive and taking the revs into the red will only bitch slap your engine. Of course I’ve had crashes, but if it would really make fuck all difference I could just as easily post the reports. I’m not digging a hole, y’all digging it for me.
Is it really so hard to belive speed is not the danger, but the absence of awareness and/or control is? Speed just acts as the multiplier in the event shit goes wrong, but there is no danger when everything goes right….
Speed = no problem
Lack of awareness = crash
Lack of control = crash
Lack of awareness/control + speed = bigger crash.@=XDC=iNSANE wrote:
So wheres you concrete evidence that going faster avoids other peoples deaths?
Well.. ain’t no one dead yet and ain’t crashed or had near misses at anything other than 30mph…
@=XDC=iNSANE wrote:
you aint got any.. all you have done is blamed motorists for you being a cock and unable to ride a bike
Rofl.. I can ride it and ride it well too… and FYI the other crashes have been proven to be the other partie’s fault, soreally I don’t see where you are going with this. I was only a cock after the first crash and not before, yet shit still happens.
@=XDC=iNSANE wrote:
Its a proven fact that you hit a kid at 30mph he has a chance of living.. hit him any faster and they’ll be dead.. hit em at the speeds you think you can go and fuck me I’d hate to see what they look like after that.. if theres owt left
Maybe you’re not reading but I’ve even said that myself in several of the posts, but how is it dangerous by NOT hitting them?
@=XDC=iNSANE wrote:
A true rider would laugh at the bollocks you have come out with in this here forum post
Get them in here then – anyone who has even ridden like a cock has done so and will do so again, they may not agree with all points but they will see eye to eye on many.
@=XDC=sPUNKer wrote:
Jeebus LeGiT you dont know when to quit!
irrespective of you being l33t and in control far more people are aware of a motorist approaching at 30mph than the extremely short period of time they would be aware of someone doing 60+ its obvious, its not rocket science its just plain common sense!I really couldnt be arsed to get involved in this thread as it needs to go to the arguement clinic but lets face it:Time to back down from this one methinks and time for Wolf to lower his blood pressure also ๐
Ain’t nothing over ’till it’s over and there is still nothing concrete saying it is dangerous by NOT hitting people, so untill that time no retreat, no surrender ๐ฟ You would in theory think most motorists would be more aware of a vehicle coming at them slower rather than faster, but the reality is they don’t even look to see what’s coming in the first place. There could be a guy in the street handing out free money and many of them wouldn’t even notice…. ffs they barely notice the emergency services; only a handfull of people bother pulling over untill the fuckers are practically shunting them out of the way…..
Seriously – is it so hard for people to say why speed kills directly instead of dancing around the issue? By y’all standards I should have comiitted genocide by now if it was even remotely true? People would have been dying up and down the country simply because I was going fast and not ramming them? LOL
@XDC_Wolf wrote:
I was going to cut and paste a load of your really cap arguments, but I can’t be arsed. What I would say is you have no right to go fast, in fact you are not supposed to.
Or maybe you couldn’t actually see any really crap arguments but don’t like what I’m saying so making yourself out to be the bigger man because you have nothing to use? Does that mean people have the right to go slower than the speed limit? Or even take nigh on forever accelerating to the legal limit? They’re MORE dangerous because they make people want to overtake them in the first fucking place….
@XDC_Wolf wrote:
As far as I am concerned, your attitude puts you in the lowest class of scum, those that know they are doing something wrong and dangerous and threatening other peoples lives, but do it anyway, for their own self gratification. Get a fucking clue.
If I see any point of danger I back off, it’s as simple as that. The fact is most of the time there is no danger and I’m still waiting for some lame ass retarded argument that says speed alone is dangerous, it’s not enough just to state it with no proof whatsoever. It isn’t the speed which is doing the killing, it’s the lack of awareness/concentration/control, so really for ffs stfu unless you’re going to back it up with some kind of miracle bs that I can swallow. I could just as easily mow down pensioners going at 3mph or 30mph provided I didn’t look where the fuck I was going… and I can just as easily avoid mowing them down @ 300mph provided I was aware of my surroundings and had control.. so really, this speed argument really doesn’t wash.
@XDC_Wolf wrote:
I anticipate all the time, except it’s hard to anticipate people not braking when there is a line of traffic ahead and it’s also hard to anticipate someone pulling out right into you when anyone who was remotely intelligent would wait the second untill you passed!!
and you’ve had how many crashes?
Those were both @ 30mph… the first before I even had a bike capable of anything twattish (124cc Single-Cyclinder – 12hp? lol), 2nd on the fazer (4 cylinder 95hp). That’s pretty much both of the main crashes besides mucho 30mph near misses by morons pulling out from side streets not looking and the asshat in a dump truck deciding to take a turn on my side of the road coming at me head on, whilst not indicating or even braking where I almost ploughed into the side of him… and to top it off it was on a bend too…
@XDC_Wolf wrote:
you cannot say that going fast is better for you.
I CAN say it but it doesn’t mean it’s right, even if I believe it. But factor in 2 crashes doing everything right and umpteen near misses and 0 crashes doing everything wrong, then from my own personal experiences my points are valid so live with it. Better yet, TRY IT before you knock it….
@XDC_Wolf wrote:
Where has all this crap about children being in the schools come from, you never seen a young child run out after a ball?
Yes – but also note that the schools are locked up like prisons with all the paedophiles knocking about these days so if they ran after a ball, it would only be within the school grounds and tough shit if it went over the fence.
@XDC_Wolf wrote:
You never seen sixth formers going to the chippy during a free period?
Yeah but usually the chip shops are not in the middle of the road and if you see someone at any kind of crossing you slow down/stop anyway and even if you don’t you ease off the throttle and check the mirrors as per usual anyway.
@XDC_Wolf wrote:
The reason it is bad is because of the increased chances of children being around due to the density of the child population.
Of course there is increased child population, but the children are not populating the main road- except for start/end times.
@XDC_Wolf wrote:
but think about other people you selfish twat.
I think about them, then I think fuck them – they’re probably the same dipshits who just nipped to the shop then off back to their cars driving them badly. If there is no danger to them, then there is no problem. I don’t know them, I don’t care about them and if there was any danger to them, it would also endanger me too – if it endangers me, I don’t do it.
TBH though I’m not really sure why you think they will be endangered in the first place??? OMG THEYRE GONNA DIE BECAUSE SOMEONE IS DRIVING FAST PAST THEM??
If I never passed them would they die because of me?
If I crawled past them would they die?
If I walked past them would they die?
If I ran past them would they die?
If I went supersonic past them would they die?
If I travelled faster than light past them would they die?The answer will always be no, because they’re not even getting in the way, we’re on a completely parallel path with no chance of colliding unless either one changed course…. alas awareness and control prevent danger from actually happening. Danger on the roads is the absence of awareness and/or control, so really regardless of what speed you’re going at you can just as easily be safe or dangerous, so I really don’t see what everyones problem is. People in cars may go at 30mph, but many are MORE dangerous because they lack any real awareness whatsoever….
@XDC_Wolf wrote:
IT’S NOT ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSES FAULT.
I’m sorry but I never suggested it always was – especially when travelling at speed. The simple fact is every crash I’ve had with other parties has been the other parties fault. Shit happens and 9/10 I’m on the receiving end of it. I’m a big enough man to admit when I’ve fucked up and yes it can, has and will happen again but I will not bullshit around it. There are however a fuckload of bad drivers out there though and it’s rare to actually see people bothering to check their mirrors/indicate/travel at the correct cpeed/not use their phones….
@XDC_Wolf wrote:
Quite frankly I’m appaled at your attitude and the fact that despite having had this conversation with you countless times before, you keep bringing up the same old shit “I’m ALWAYS RIGHT BECAUSE I’M A 1337 RIDER”. Fuck off, get a job, get a life and stay off the roads.
I never said I’m always a leet rider nor was it implied, infact if you can read more thoroughly I said quite the opposite…
I’ve been shafted so many times by so many people in so many ways, I really do not care any more. I grew up getting battered off my dad and if I cried I got another round. I wasn’t like these dick heads who wander the streets smashing windows, getting drunk and ‘acting ard’ etc I may have forgotten to turn off a tp and leave a it running or grabbed the wrong pair of shoes for him or even forgotten something off the shopping list. I’ve been ripped apart by a Japanese Akita, had more broken bones than I dare count, stabbed twice, mugged 3 times, sandwiched between 2 cars and the last crash a 30+30mph collision where I bounced off the car with my face… to top it off I may have some form of brain damage but oh no.. my doctor sucks =/
All this shit when in RL I’m probably the nicest guy you could know, I don’t drink, smoke or do drugs and really try to avoid warez and speeding is my only illegal activity. Get a life? Get me a life which involves even half of the shit I’ve had to deal with then maybe I may not need to do my thrillseeking on the roads.. Seriously my problems posted barely scratch the surface, you could only wish to have gone through the crap I’ve had to go through and come out the other end smiling… your own problems really are insignificant – I have a life it just sucks at the best of times =/
If I can accept people with their warez and drugs, then you can shut the fuck up and accept me having my own bad habbits too. If you’re going to bullshit it someway so that peoples lives are not affected by piracy and drugs, then tell that to the people getting raped and murdered for pocket change to fuel addicts and to the programmers out of their jobs.
What you want is a Teddy Ruxpin… I used to have 1 years ago, they rawk! The Cartoon wasn’t too shabby either ๐
The only way going slower can be safer though is because you take less damage physically due to the lesser impact – but then the catch is you also get hit by more morons so it happens more often =/ Going faster you crash less but if you do crash it’s a helluvalot worse….
Doing everything right has only got me 2 crashes – the last pretty serious, on top of a crapload of near misses. Doing everythign wrong = no crashes, no near misses…
And as for showing off – that’s exactly my point. When you show off you ain’t wired right, but when you’re in the mood and no one is pushing you to do it, you do it at your own pace and in your own time to please yourself. You don’t force yourself into the super risky stuff for the sake of looking good, because there is no one watching ๐
Also – ppl do get the fuck out of the way ๐ Seen it happen for me waay too many times for it to be a coincidence ๐
For the car pulling out on him then when he was speeding it’s fair game – when something is coming at you it’s not always easy to judge it’s speed so perhaps the driver thought he had plenty of time to get across, yet when this happened on me I was doing 30mph in a 30mph zone – I was on good behaviour because of the speed cameras.. yet the cock pulls into me when I’m 1/4 second off being parallel to him wtf =/ But still … a Fireblade doesn’t belong on our roads whether you are trained or not, if you want to really road race on a bike actually built for the roads, then the Triumph Daytona 675 is what you’re after ๐
I anticipate all the time, except it’s hard to anticipate people not braking when there is a line of traffic ahead and it’s also hard to anticipate someone pulling out right into you when anyone who was remotely intelligent would wait the second untill you passed!!
@Wipers wrote:
@LeGIt wrote:
Half the reason I don’t play it any more is because of the crashes – the rest of it was too many cheaters/statpadders and I did a years worth of hours so I’ve seen enough of it!!
Nothing to do with the fact you played it almost constantly for 3 weeks then…
Bah! I wasn’t that slow, did it in 2 ๐
It’s the going 30mph which gets you crashed into by other drivers…
They don’t see you coming because they don’t look (ICE/Phones), they don’t hear you coming (ICE/Phones) because your revs are too low….
You survive going fast because people get the fuck out of the way. They see you coming up in their mirrors because they look… they look because they hear the engine screaming like a banshee… they hear you because your revs are high and you’re moving like a bat out of hell… to top it off you’re also overtaking… not even using the same patch of road as those guys so for all intents and purposes you’re parallel, you just have to keep an eye out for oncoming traffic and not risk it if it’s on a hill or a blind bend… Most importantly you’re survivng because there are no mistakes, you’re just moving, albeit faster.
You only don’t survive if you fuck up and if you fuck up then you shouldn’t have been riding beyond your abilities and deserved it…. I’m not saying I’m the best rider in the world, but if I know I can take x section fast I do, if I know I may run into trouble, I don’t…. As for the guy dying on the Fireblade.. well being on a Fireblade and in an Urban envornment then it was also destined to happen, for actual real-life road riding (like a twat) you need something capable of actually going around corners as wel las stopping, more along the lines of a 600-750cc bike which is not as fast at top speed, but is a lot better for the twisty stuff. A Fireblade is for a track for people trained to ride them on the track, no matter how good people think they are a Fireblde really doesn’t belong on most UK roads… but smaller track bikes built to actually stop and turn do ๐
Lets go 30mph then slow down for traffic ahead – oh yes the twat behind me was either too busy on his phone or doing whatever the fuck mongrols in cars do, because he doesn’t brake and shunts me from behind. Good fun being sandwiched between 2 cars =/ Then lets set off down the road, oh look a car is coming and wants to park on my side of the road, oh wait, it’s pulling INTO me!! Surely it could have waited the 0.7 seconds untill I had passed? Surely if the driver actually looked at what the fuck he was doing and actually thought about it I wouldn’t have ended up รฦรโรยขรขโยฌร ยกรฦรขโฌลกรโรยฃ5k down and bouncing off his car with my face??? That’s not even counting the umpteen times of near misses by some fucking moron too busy doing everything else except being a good driver.
I don’t need stabilisers… everyone else needs to get the fuck off the road untill they can actually pay attention at what they’re doing… seriously most people only buck up to pass their test then drive without due care or attention for the rest of their motoring lives shortly after. I’ll have you know no matter what speed I go at, I always indicate when approapriate, I always check my mirrors, I always cover my brakes when needed and I always perform my lifesaver and most importantly I’m always scanning the road ahead and behind so I know wtf is going on around me…
We’re in a 30mph zone.. people do 40… we’re in a 40mph zone… ppl do 40… we’re in a 50mph zone… ppl do 40… we’re in a national speed limit zone… ppl do 40… we’re going around some corners… oh yeah let’s not indicate and lets not have full control of our vehicles by using our mobile phones… oh yes lets not look where we are going and chat to our mates and pay no attention to driving whatsoever!! What do we do when you’re driving too slow for the speed limit? Then of course we have to overtake, but then it’s more dangerous because it’s not by choice and chances are there will be very few windows to do so and do it safely… The very fact is that those ppl out for a sunday drive are actually causing accidents by taking it slowly instead of at the legal limit….
I’ve done 120mph in a 30mph zone upteen times and I’ve never crashed once nor have I endangered anyone, atleast no one but myself. Infact the only reason I go fast to start with is because I’m pissed off playing by the rules and getting shafted each and every time. I will die on my bike, but because I choose to – What I will not do is endanger anyone else. I do these things when I’m confident no one else will get hurt and only then when I feel I am good and ready. There are people out there who will do this regardless whether anyone else could get hurt or not as they really couldn’t give a fuck and in some ways I don’t blame them, but at the same time I am not them. Even then when I do have fun overtaking, I only overtake if there is more than a 2 second gap between the 2 vehicles ahead so I have room to pull back in safely witout being too close to either vehicle… I would do some things on my bike people could say is crazy and they wouldn’t do any of that shit, but I can just as easily say the same about other people on different things on their bikes…
Riding fast past a school = no problem, as the poeple are in the school not in the road…. may not be wise @ start/end time with all the women drivers about and people crossing, but the fact a school is there is irrelevant unless they’re doing 100mph when they kids are actually crossing the roads. Riding fast through a housing estate = no problem, as people live in the houses, not in the fucking streets! Riding fast down any road is fine… because the pedestrians are on the pavement?? Anyone with a pair of eyes can see someone heading towards a crossing and slow down, but any pedestrian wandering into the road without looking are asking to be chopped up….
Speeding is a lot safer in many ways, it’s the consequences if something goes wrong which are exponentially worse… but saying that I’ll end up just as dead doing 30mph down the road and getting rammed by some other meathead in a car =/
It’s not to impress you, as I really couldn’t give a shit whether you are impressed or not. I do it because I like to and I choose to, not because I feel the need where I have to just to show off or somethign gay like that… mentioning it is only stating a fact, it’s not braggign rights or anything as every last one of you could just as easily take to the roads and do the same… but it is damned good fun, which is something you really can’t experience looking at footage…
