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@=XDC=iNSANE wrote:
yeah played Halo2 and Halo 3.. both are toss 🙂
BF1942, BFV, BF2, Turok, SOF, Stranglehold, Max Payne, FH, CS, DOD, COD3, Red Orchestra.. nuff said mate regarding realism.. there where its at and always will be
I dont doubt Crysis will be good, I was gonna upgrade for that game alone.. the beginning levels look amazing.. but.. it got all ghey with the aliens and what not.. lazers dont do it for me .. unless in films.. in films they rock 🙂
but this will be like a film.. only youll get to direct.. and shoot the actors you dont get along with!! 😆
the other thing is…. noise.. are there truly silent versions of these cards available? or is passive cooling silly talk when discussing these beasts? (leaning towards the 2900pro now…)
@=XDC=iNSANE wrote:
Either 2 much money and no sense or you just didnt read Judges post 🙂
£354 for an extra 6FPS.. bargain 😆
The orginal question that seemed to be lost was; ‘I thinking of getting a HD2600Pro will I be able to run Crysis on this card?’
Which feedback has been provided from real time experiences 😉 Whilst this card may run Crysis you would probably have to compomise some of the eye candy to make it semi playable.
I agree that the differences between the HD 2900 XT are negligable when you compare the price differentials of roughly £250 for the ATI vs £450 for the Nvidia 8800 Ultra. The 8800 GTX can be clocked easily to match the Ultra perfomance. So £200 for a 6fps increase doesn’t really justify the additional outlay.
However, there are distinct differences ( and I wont go into them here unless some specifically asks for it to avoid the inevitable ‘Geek ‘ references that are bound to be posted.)to the GPU and Rendering Architechture which when you compare the Nvidia across multiple games/apps then it is a more capable card.
It all comes down to personal preference and budget. You can easily cherry pick a particular result from a specific test to highlight the benefits for each vendor. It’s the overall scores across a suite of tests that are more respresentative of ‘overall’ performance but again you can skew these either way if your trying to validate a particular point.
Anyhoo, it’s the same old debate as the ‘Intel vs AMD’ and at the end of the day you go with what gives you the best performance to match your budget.
Fuckin ell Lammie! You been premoted to Guru now? Stop browsing Tom’s Hardware and do some sodding work 😉
Oh yeah.. Nvidia FTW:)
I bought myself a 8800GTS when they came out (due to my old card blowing up and no ATI card released) and I used to have an 7900gt and I’ve got to say I cant really see any difference whatsoever, theres a little more give when lots and lots of units are on the screen but I paid 50 quid for one and 213 squid for the other, initially I was very interested in Crysis but to behonest I couldn’t give a monkies about it anymore I’m more looking forward to Assassins Creed. As I usually play FPS games more than most the difference between them and the two cards has been next to nothing. I got more benefit from going from a Pentium 4 to a E6600 Core 2 Duo
@11thSignal wrote:
I got more benefit from going from a Pentium 4 to a E6600 Core 2 Duo
The Pentium 4 with the ‘Netburst Cache’ was the biggest overhyped bollocks to justify their equally farsical pricing. The Core 2 Duo’s are fantastic in comparision until you get into the Extreme price range which gives you more bios option to tweak the CPU Voltages and FSB but not enough to warrant the premium they charge for them. Although with the new P35 socket just being released and their ability to provide the full 1333Mhz FSB and DDR3 Memory compatabilty you should start to see the extreme prices drop a bit in the next few months.
Those E6600’s clock like fook on air ( providing you have a decent HSF like Artic Freezer Pro 7) and I think you can pick them up now for under £100- absolute bargain.
Next………? 😆
@Lammie wrote:
@11thSignal wrote:
I got more benefit from going from a Pentium 4 to a E6600 Core 2 Duo
The Pentium 4 with the ‘Netburst Cache’ was the biggest overhyped bollocks to justify their equally farsical pricing. The Core 2 Duo’s are fantastic in comparision until you get into the Extreme price range which gives you more bios option to tweak the CPU Voltages and FSB but not enough to warrant the premium they charge for them. Although with the new P35 socket just being released and their ability to provide the full 1333Mhz FSB and DDR3 Memory compatabilty you should start to see the extreme prices drop a bit in the next few months.
Those E6600’s clock like fook on air ( providing you have a decent HSF like Artic Freezer Pro 7) and I think you can pick them up now for under £100- absolute bargain.
Next………? 😆
Think I might dip me toes into this overclocking milarky seeing as I’ve got said E6600, an Asus Commando MB and the Freezer 7. Didn’t someone post a howto on overclocking recently? Or anyone know of a good online guide ?
I hate Toms hardware, there’s been too many red faced incidents over the years for my likeing and there are plenty of other hardware sites that I can ‘Cherry Pick’ results from.
so speaking of skewed results here’s Tom’s Hardware review for the so called big DX10 shootout. It’s a shame that they chose to use the slightly buggy 7.9 driver set (7.8’s were better) for the ATI (fair enough because that what was available at the time of the review) however, have they updated the review (near on a month later) for the 7.10 which addresses the issues raised? No have they fook. It’s still on page 1 of Toms Hardware being displayed as the definitive DX10 GFX card review.
Review here… http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/09/directx_10_shootout/
Guess what ATi’s don’t come out too well in it (surprise, surprise) but all the issues it raises seem to have been addressed. What pisses me off is what they also fail to mention is that Nvidia has exclusive deals with many game developers meaning they get the heads up on games and can develop drivers and bug fixes well in advance of what ATi can do (hence why ATi revise their drivers more frequently). So to slate ATi for taking ages to taylor the drivers for games that came out after the 7.9 drivers did so they didn’t even get a look at these games until they were officially released is BS. So in that sense ATi are always going to playing catch up so let them catch up you fux and maybe use a less biased playing field.
here are the release notes for the 7.10 catalyst suite.
The following performance improvements are noticed with Catalystâ„¢ 7.10:
Battlefield 2142: CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves 5-23% on ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2600, HD2400 and ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1300/X1550
BioShock DX10 CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves 70% or more on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 series of products
Call of Duty 2: performance improves up to 6.7% on both single card and CrossFireâ„¢ ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2600 and ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2400 configurations
Call of Juarez DX10: CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves up to 42% and single card performance improves up to 34% on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 series of products
Company of Heroes DX10 CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves up to 80% on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 series of products and single card performance improves as much as 31% on ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2900 and ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2600 products
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves as much as 23% on ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1x00 series products and single card performance improves as much as 23% on both ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 and ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1x00 series of products
FEAR CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves as much as 16% on ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1950XTX, X1650XT, HD2400 and X1300/X1550
Lost Planet DX10 CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves 20% or greater on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 series of products
Supreme Commander CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves up to 30% on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 and ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1x00 series products. ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1650 and X1300/X1550 see even greater improvements of 82% or more
World In Conflict DX10 CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves 14-67% or more and single card performance improves 20% or more on ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2900XT and ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2600 products
World in Conflict DX9 CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves up to 70% or more on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 productsgranted a lot of the enhancements seem to be around crossfire configs but that still has to mean an increase on a single card. Anyway now you’re all thinking STFU JuDgE you ATI fanboy….so I will 🙂
No one is arguing that the 8800 GTX and Ultra are the daddies, they are no question. However, are they value for money?
I say not, not until the new Nvidias come out and there’s a massive price drop then they really will be the hot ticket.
/geek out
@Lammie wrote:
@=XDC=iNSANE wrote:
Either 2 much money and no sense or you just didnt read Judges post 🙂
£354 for an extra 6FPS.. bargain 😆
The orginal question that seemed to be lost was; ‘I thinking of getting a HD2600Pro will I be able to run Crysis on this card?’
Which feedback has been provided from real time experiences 😉 Whilst this card may run Crysis you would probably have to compomise some of the eye candy to make it semi playable.
I agree that the differences between the HD 2900 XT are negligable when you compare the price differentials of roughly £250 for the ATI vs £450 for the Nvidia 8800 Ultra. The 8800 GTX can be clocked easily to match the Ultra perfomance. So £200 for a 6fps increase doesn’t really justify the additional outlay.
However, there are distinct differences ( and I wont go into them here unless some specifically asks for it to avoid the inevitable ‘Geek ‘ references that are bound to be posted.)to the GPU and Rendering Architechture which when you compare the Nvidia across multiple games/apps then it is a more capable card.
It all comes down to personal preference and budget. You can easily cherry pick a particular result from a specific test to highlight the benefits for each vendor. It’s the overall scores across a suite of tests that are more respresentative of ‘overall’ performance but again you can skew these either way if your trying to validate a particular point.
Anyhoo, it’s the same old debate as the ‘Intel vs AMD’ and at the end of the day you go with what gives you the best performance to match your budget.
thanks for that… yeah ive had a look at some of the differences.. opengl V directx performance etc etc…
I think the 2600 will be bettern than my 7900gt, but a 2900pro will last a little longer and hopefully give better value.. so if i do upgrade thats what itll be. The 2900XT is outta my price range, but the pro can be o/c’d if required.
On the topic of overclocking i may clock my Athlon x2 4200 to see what it can do. i have decent cooling on that so should be ok. (currently temps dont go above 55ish).
ta all.. now looking forward to getting the crysis demo.. hopefully itll be out at a decent time..
@=XDC=JuDgE-MenTaL wrote:
I hate Toms hardware, there’s been too many red faced incidents over the years for my likeing and there are plenty of other hardware sites that I can ‘Cherry Pick’ results from.
so speaking of skewed results here’s Tom’s Hardware review for the so called big DX10 shootout. It’s a shame that they chose to use the slightly buggy 7.9 driver set (7.8’s were better) for the ATI (fair enough because that what was available at the time of the review) however, have they updated the review (near on a month later) for the 7.10 which addresses the issues raised? No have they fook. It’s still on page 1 of Toms Hardware being displayed as the definitive DX10 GFX card review.
Review here… http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/09/directx_10_shootout/
Guess what ATi’s don’t come out too well in it (surprise, surprise) but all the issues it raises seem to have been addressed. What pisses me off is what they also fail to mention is that Nvidia has exclusive deals with many game developers meaning they get the heads up on games and can develop drivers and bug fixes well in advance of what ATi can do (hence why ATi revise their drivers more frequently). So to slate ATi for taking ages to taylor the drivers for games that came out after the 7.9 drivers did so they didn’t even get a look at these games until they were officially released is BS. So in that sense ATi are always going to playing catch up so let them catch up you fux and maybe use a less biased playing field.
here are the release notes for the 7.10 catalyst suite.
The following performance improvements are noticed with Catalystâ„¢ 7.10:
Battlefield 2142: CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves 5-23% on ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2600, HD2400 and ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1300/X1550
BioShock DX10 CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves 70% or more on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 series of products
Call of Duty 2: performance improves up to 6.7% on both single card and CrossFireâ„¢ ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2600 and ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2400 configurations
Call of Juarez DX10: CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves up to 42% and single card performance improves up to 34% on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 series of products
Company of Heroes DX10 CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves up to 80% on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 series of products and single card performance improves as much as 31% on ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2900 and ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2600 products
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves as much as 23% on ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1x00 series products and single card performance improves as much as 23% on both ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 and ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1x00 series of products
FEAR CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves as much as 16% on ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1950XTX, X1650XT, HD2400 and X1300/X1550
Lost Planet DX10 CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves 20% or greater on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 series of products
Supreme Commander CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves up to 30% on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 and ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1x00 series products. ATI Radeonâ„¢ X1650 and X1300/X1550 see even greater improvements of 82% or more
World In Conflict DX10 CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves 14-67% or more and single card performance improves 20% or more on ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2900XT and ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2600 products
World in Conflict DX9 CrossFireâ„¢ performance improves up to 70% or more on all ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD2x00 productsgranted a lot of the enhancements seem to be around crossfire configs but that still has to mean an increase on a single card. Anyway now you’re all thinking STFU JuDgE you ATI fanboy….so I will 🙂
No one is arguing that the 8800 GTX and Ultra are the daddies, they are no question. However, are they value for money?
I say not, not until the new Nvidias come out and there’s a massive price drop then they really will be the hot ticket.
/geek out
No I absolutley agree with the Tom’s Hardware Guide crap they are too commercial now.
I try an keep an eye on what’s current in the hardware arena because it is something that always interested me. It also helps if you keep an objective mind to see through the marketing crap and look at various different source from benchmark tests.
Some are inevitably skewed to one particular vendor but that is probably more to do with corporate advertising revenues and sponsorship. If you can view a wider scatter of reviews then you pretty much end up more balanced picture overall.
Right the new Edition of CutomPC has just landed on my desk so Fook Off no more questions for a few hours. 😉
On the topic of overclocking i may clock my Athlon x2 4200 to see what it can do. i have decent cooling on that so should be ok. (currently temps dont go above 55ish).
I’d be careful, I am overclocking mine now (out of necessity more than anything else) and have temperatures of about 30 – 40, maxing out at about 46. Anything above this and it starts to become unstable. I am fairly sure it’s not the chip as the last chip I O/ced did the same.
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