New PC – Advice please

OMFG!!!!

Ive just found one of those “rare as fcuk” ATI master cards!!!!!!!

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-051-CO&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=404

@=XDC=McQueen wrote:

@LeGIt wrote:

#1 Forget about Crossfire. It’s hard enough as it is to find a Mastercard… it’s as nice as Nvidia’s SLi but it’s much harder to track down compatible cards to make it work whereas Nvidia are much easier and much more forgiving to mix and match.

#2 Forget about multiple cores. Nice yes, but most games don’t support them; you will get better gaming performance for the majority of games on a damned good single core for the price, maybe even cheaper.

#3 Forget about Vista. On it’s own it is nice enough and it works, but not much else works for it. By the time Vista will be of any use to you, you will be due for a new PC again anyway… also it’s not really worth going for anything less than Ultimate and if you want to make use of all 4gb of that RAM + your VRAM you’re going to need a x64-bit version.

Jesus christ monkey balls……..

I thought all of the things you said in the “you will live longer going 200mph” thread was BS but this has got to be the worst/least thought about statment i have read this year…..

And that has to be the lamest and least constructive reply this year… as with the other thread.. yes lets poke holes, but lets not say what or where they are, but if we do they would be irrelevant points or have even less thought anyway -_-

#1 Last time I gave a crap about crossfire when I had money to spend the cards didn’t exist in the majority of shops and those that claimed to have them never had them in stock. When they did have themin stock, they were incompatible with most of the other cards they were selling anyway, which made them useless. My finger hasn’t been on the pulse because I haven’t had the money to spend and my card works fine with all settings maxed, so i’ve neevr had to bother looking recently to give a shit whether or not ATI have decided to pick up their support.

#2 Fluffy stated he wanted it to be a purely gaming machine. Multiple cores are not purely gaming… literally 1 or 2 games support them and none of them are frequented by XDC. For those games he does and will continue to frequent, seriously what is better for him? A Chip with more cores which will be slower, because the software won’t give a shit that other cores exist, OR a single core which will always be seen, which would have more grunt than the ‘lesser’ visible core in a multi core system?

#3 Vista runs nice yes but a lot of things don’t run nicely on it. Surely it’s good sense to give it time for all the shit to be worked out so that by the time Vista is worth buying, then and only then he buys it? XP has lots of life left in it, the reality being Vista isn’t even needed… Where are all these DX10 games? Where is all the driver support for this fancy hardware? it’s in a piss poor state and by the time it’s a worthy platform with decent support he actually will be due for a new PC as his machine would be out of date…

Ok…
1. I have given you 2x links to companys that sell “the rare as fcuk master card”

2. Maybe when 2x cores came out there wasnt any support for dual core cpus but games that are being written now WILL have dual core support…and i dont think people buy pc JUST to play games so to have two or more cores would be a bonus for dvd ripping/photoshop/mp3`s etc.

3. All the 32 bit Vista os support 4 gig of ram but the hardware in the system is reserving the address space.
Since 32-bit processors are limited to 4 gig of address space, hardware
that requries addressing( like video cards or other devices including PCI)
has to reserve some of the address space, thus limiting the amount of RAM
that is available to Windows. Windows is not reserving that memory, the
hardware in the system is reserving that space. Since there is a
limitation of 4 gig of address space and there is overlap, the amount of
RAM that can be addressed is reduced by the amount of address space the
hardware requests.

In more simple terms…..

If you installed total 4GB memory, the system will detect less than 4GB of total memory because of address space allocation for other critical functions, such as:

– System BIOS (including motherboard, add-on cards, etc..)
– Motherboards resources
– Memory mapped I/O
– configuration for AGP/PCI-Ex/PCI
– Other memory allocations for PCI devices

Different onboard devices and different add-on cards (devices) will result of different total memory size.
e.g. more PCI cards installed will require more memory resources, resulting of less memory free for other uses.

On a SLI system, since PCI-Ex graphic cards will occupy around 256MB, another 256MB will be occupied after you install a 2nd PCI-Ex graphic card. Hence, 2.75GB memory left only if two SLI cards installed on A8N-SLI Premium while 3.0GB memory left with one graphic card without other add-on devices.

This limitation applies to most chipsets & Windows XP 32-bit version operating system.

If you install Windows XP 32-bit version operating system, we recommend that you install less than 3GB of total memory. If more than 3GB memory is required for your system, then below two conditions must be met:
1. The memory controller which supports memory swap functionality is used. The latest chipsets like Intel 975X, 955X, Nvidia NF4 SLI Intel Edition, Nvidia NF4 SLI X16, and AMD K8 CPU architecture can support the memory swap function.
2. Windows XP Pro X64 Ed. (64-bit) or other OS which can address more than 4GB memory.

32-bit versions of Windows Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate: 4GB
32-bit Windows Vista Starter: 1GB
64-bit versions of Windows Vista Home Basic: 8GB
64-bit versions of Windows Vista Home Premium: 16GB
64-bit versions of Windows Vista Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate: 128GB

@=XDC=iNSANE wrote:

Save your money and get a mirror for your monitor.. you can see who’s coming up behind you then.. every PC should have one

been caught Tommy Tanking once before then ? 😛

@=XDC=McQueen wrote:

Ok…
1. I have given you 2x links to companys that sell “the rare as fcuk master card”

Did you actually try buying a master card back when the X850 / X1800 was around? I think not… ATI support was a joke, now silence, minion 😛

@=XDC=McQueen wrote:

2. Maybe when 2x cores came out there wasnt any support for dual core cpus but games that are being written now WILL have dual core support…and i dont think people buy pc JUST to play games so to have two or more cores would be a bonus for dvd ripping/photoshop/mp3`s etc.

These games are on the cards, but when will we see them? What games will support them? Of those that do, will anyone even bother buying them? For the next year or 2 those games that do use them will be in the minority and probably of little to no interest to most people and probably suck to boot. The big games from the big brands want to appeal to a braod spectrum of people, so untill the rest of the world catches up, do you really think they will bother adding support for what is at the minute a minorty? I think not… More cores are nice for other things and most people do want to do other things too, but to quote from the horses mouth: @=XDC=FluffyBunny wrote:

Oh and theres no pretending this is for anything other than a gaming rig.

A nice 3-4Ghz single core + hyperthreading or even a 2nd hand/old stock cheaper AMD FX would put any game in their place and do a better job than 1x 2.6Ghz core whilst the remainder are redundant.

@=XDC=McQueen wrote:

3. Waffle

That is 1 point maybe with Vista 32 allowing more memory than XP 32, but it’s still negating the fact that at the moment Vista is a waste of time due to it’s infancy.

You’re literally suggesting buying a dual core system for gaming, when by the time games with real support will be in abundance his dual core chip would suck, using an operating system with no history and little support when not everything works and paying extra on top to boot. By the same time his single core would suck too, but atleast it wouldn’t have had extra cores doing fuck all in the same period and would have performed better at what it was doing….

In 2 years time when he chucks his new machine in the bin for a bigger and badder machine there will be better penetration for other things like multi core gaming and Vista’s driver and support issues of course; but seriously between now and then support will be few and far between and untill that time comes, a damned good single core and good old XP would tide him over untill then much better and would save him some pennies too…

Looks like you better pack both your PC shops in Mcqueen.. jebus knows how you earn a living, you know fuck all!

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