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Anyone remember this when it happened?
Gang Jailed Over Mary-Ann Murder
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* Print pageAll six gang members who murdered Reading teenager Mary-Ann Leneghan have been jailed for life. Adrian Thomas, Michael Johnson and Jamaile and Joshua Morally will each serve a minimum of 26 years in jail.
Llewellyn Adams, 24, and Indrit Krasniqi, 19, were given minimum sentences of 22 years each.
The family of Mary-Ann said it was a great day and praised the judge.
Thomas, 20, was the leader of the gang who abducted the 16-year-old last May along with her 18-year-old friend and
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subjected them to a nightmare ordeal of torture, rape and sexual humiliation before taking them to a park to execute them.Johnson, 19, was the man who dealt the fatal knife wounds to Mary-Ann, stabbing her 40 times as she begged for mercy.
Thomas showed no emotion as the sentences were read out.
The two girls were drugged, orally raped and tortured with cigarettes, knives, a metal bar and boiling sugared water for three hours before being taken to the park in Reading.
Mary-Ann was murdered in the stabbing frenzy while the older girl was shot in the head at point blank range.
She survived and gave evidence against her attackers in an eight-week trial at Reading Crown Court.
The girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was given the option of giving evidence via video link or behind screens but chose to take the witness box.
She said she wanted to look the defendants in the eye.
Anyone think life should be life in cases like this?
If not life is life they should be killed… Not no easy way out ether, the lethal injection is a “nice” way to die. Its like have an anaesthetic that you dont wake up from.
Ohhhhhh scary.
These twats should be hung…… Better still give them AIDS and expose them daily to flu’s, infections anything that will make the farkers suffer for a long time then die.Ooooo cut there knobs off to.
Lets see you try and use it now bastid!!!!!!
I think you should be given extra time in jail if you’re found guilty of being ‘evil’. Seriously I do.
What those guys did was evil, plain and simple, taking pleasure in the suffering, humiliation and degredation of others. I don’t want cnuts like that as part of the society I live in, they’re like a disease. They take, but never give anything worthwhile back to society.
Put them on the organ donner list and leave them with the bare essentials they need to survive, one eye, one lung etc. And give the rest to the victims of scum like them who’ve been mutiliated and maimed, because some piece of filth was just thinking of themselves.
Bah! I don’t know what to do with them really, but the fact we’ve got scum like this breathing the same air as me makes my blood boil.
i can’t understand the “time off for good behaviour” mantra!!!! It should be do the time you were sentenced to and time is added on for bad behaviour!
As for these sick fucks!!! scuse the language! they should be strung up…no ifs and buts!!! no more excuses that they may have come from broken homes, didn’t get the same chances as the other kids, had their pet turtle stamped on by the street bully!!! As neon said, they are a disease and there is only one way to deal with disease..
Why should we have to pay for these parasites to be kept to a lifestyle when a simple injection, or better still a slow painful death like they inflicted on that poor kid would make it a lot more gratifying for the family of the girl and most probably society at large…………….would i go to Marble Arch to view a public hanging of scum like this ? Bloody right i would………and i’d take along a pack of sarnies to make a proper day of it too.
/rant.
here’s some options
1:hang em
2:Replace the fox in the fox hunt
3:Send them abroad as mine detectors with no equipment, let the rats finish em off
4:human shieldsAnything but a stay at a holiday camp with a bit of barbed wire round it ๐ ๐
@airmessy wrote:
If not life is life they should be killed… Not no easy way out ether, the lethal injection is a “nice” way to die. Its like have an anaesthetic that you dont wake up from.
Well….seems a lot of people now realise it’s not a nice way to die, this being one of those articles http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54799-2005Apr14.html
Researchers who studied blood samples of inmates after executions found that more than 40 percent contained levels of anesthesia so low that the prisoners might have been conscious during their executions.
Critics argue that the paralyzing agent, which several states have banned veterinarians from using, might mask severe pain.
Still think prisoners should be made to work, let them build roads or such, and no tea breaks and crap. What about their rights ? They gave those up when they decide to kill people
One of the biggest arguments against capital punishment is that they might be innocent.
Yeah sure they might be.. So give them life *as it stands now*
But in case like this when its cut and dry. When there is absolutely no doubt at all that they did it then they should be fucked over.
Ill say again.. Something that’s long, slow and so painful that they pass out as many times as they can before death.I cant get over how angry i am over this. Seriously how in hell can the justice system justify these fuckers only getting life sentences. That’s a minimum of 22 years.
22 YEARS for what they did…I swear on everything i hold sacred if anyone intentionally murdered any of my kids i would torture the fuckers until they die.
It would take them days to die not some quick thing. A long slow drawn out painful process. Then i would tie the cnuts to my car and drag them down the main street.
I would happy do 20+ years for that.
@airmessy wrote:
One of the biggest arguments against capital punishment is that they might be innocent.
But in case like this when its cut and dry. When there is absolutely no doubt at all that they did it then they should be fucked over.
Ill say again.. Something that’s long, slow and so painful that they pass out as many times as they can before death.I would happy do 20+ years for that.
There are no degrees of guilt as far as the law is concerned. You would never be sentenced because, well, you might not have done it. Guilt is beyond reasonable doubt, irrespective of whether the state supports capital punishment or not. *Any* conviction right now is based on whether it is “cut and dry” – if it is not, then the verdict cannot be guilty.
Also, if you did do what you said, you too would get what you suggest – a long slow death.
I’m not against capital punishment, btw – I think there is a class of crimes for which is is applicable. These bastards are just a waste of resources.
Reasons why they oppose the death penalty
* It violates Section 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
* It does not deter criminals from committing crimes. For example, the US, a retentionnist nation, has a much higher murder rate than its abolitionist European allies
* Sometimes, people have been pardoned, exonerated or granted a new trial minutes before their scheduled execution because of new evidence. In the US, since the reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976, about 100 have been released from Death Row.
* By responding with violence, certain abolitionists believe that society can become more violent itself as violence is somehow State-sanctioned when the death penalty is practiced.
* It prevents rehabilitation of prisoners, especially of those who have changed their ways and could become a productive member of society.Wrongful executions
DNA evidence has exonerated more than one person per year since 1992 [4] in the U.S., but such evidence is only available in a fraction of capital cases.
In the UK sentencing reviews have resulted in one pardon and three exonerations for people executed between 1950 and 1953 (when the execution rate in England and Wales averaged 17 per year), with compensation being paid.
I just lifted this from Wikipedia. As a previous Amnesty International member I have seen hundreds of individual cases flagged up regarding unsafe judgements and horrific abuses of the judicial system in the states and beyond.Lets not forget an increasing tide of evidence showing that a lot of the people on death row are mentally subnormal, many of them have IQ’s equivalent to small children, and a lot of the rest have certifiable mental illnesses.
Killing people is wrong…. the stuff written in this thread sounds more like tabloid hysteria than anything else!
The guys in this trial are scum – and may well need to be detained for the rest of their lives…. but killing them is NOT the answer!
Any1 seen Dead man walking by the way??? Top film – check it out.
@=XDC= wild egg tamer wrote:
i can’t understand the “time off for good behaviour” mantra!!!! It should be do the time you were sentenced to and time is added on for bad behaviour!
This provides inmates an incentive to be good (obviously) during the sentence… and hopefully lower the cases of “dead guard syndrome” … basically they are used to control the prisoners – give them something to work for.
Im with Doc on this one, It was a bloody horrible crime (especially since one of the fuckers came from Chiswick…) But I dont believe in capital/corporal punishment, I do however believe in volentary euthanasia – Give them the choice to kill themselves and save society a buck or two.
Adn I’m not particularly pro death penalty either. As a society we place huge value on life – much more so than many other societies in the world. And so taking life by the state should not be a thing taken lightly.
But rehabilitation – or rather lack of – has serious consequences for some types of offender. If someone breaks into a house, gets jailed, released, and does it again in a couple of years, then there’s not a huge amount of damage other than material.
But if someone does a sadistic murder, molests kids, or rapes women, and gets a 20 year sentence, they get out after 20 years whether or not they have been “rehabilitated”. They have a personality type that at some point made a concious decision to commit such a crime that they absolutely knew was wrong. Neither threat of jail nor threat of execution would have stopped that. Whether that is “illness” or not is immaterial – how can you know they really won’t repeat?
We’re all aware of the recent headlines on repeat offences when someone like this is released. Irrespective of whether capital punishment is right or wrong here, something is seriously amiss that results in another poor kid getting attacked by some sick pervert that has absolutely no place in our society. Top him or lock him up until he dies – same difference.
Sorry for sounding like a hard arse ๐
good points doc but i’m not so sure about it being tabloid hysteria………
Its getting to the point now doc where that wonderful labour mantra of “tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime” is just a bi-line for tabloid editors to pen to yet another story where the system has failed people.
Take the John Monckton case last year; a financier living in Chelsea, working hard and reaping the rewards yet in just a few minutes his life was wiped out by murdering scum who seemed to think they had the divine right to whatever he had worked hard for. The guy who stabbed him had been released early from a 12 year stretch for attempted murder, this following numerous other prison sentences….to quote from the telegraph website:-
In July 1995, at the age of 14, he burgled a home when the owners were asleep. He entered a defence of alibi but was convicted of burglary. That October he robbed a 17-year-old youth of รฦรโรยขรขโยฌร ยกรฦรขโฌลกรโรยฃ20 at knifepoint, stabbing and kicking him. Again he said he was not there but again he was convicted: of wounding.
In June 1996, at the age of 15, he admitted attempted burglary after first denying it.
In August the following year, when he was 16, he was involved with another man in robbing a youth of a Rolex watch. They had a gun and a butcher’s knife.
When the victim tried to escape, the other man shot him three times. Hanson said he had been elsewhere with friends but was found guilty of attempted murder and robbery and jailed for 12 years.
Now, tell me where rehabilitation got this guy ? All the system done was fail him and fail any future victims. If we follow the humanist line and allow these people their right to life then surely we need to counter that argument by enforcing prison sentences, ie, life means life………no parole, no out on licence for good behaviour…..you’ve done the crime so in effect you’ve signed your rights away!
Sadly, the Monckton case is not an isolated incident, there’s the story recently of a guy who had been locked up for the murder of his girlfriend in 1985, was then released and went on to rape a 10 year old boy!!
Things need to change; we need competent politicians, a competent judicial system and less pandering to the rights of criminals……..if a guy gets a 10 stretch, he does a 10 stretch; if he gets life he comes out in a wooden box, not after serving 10-15 years.
Errr, don’t think i have seen dead man walking…….you may need to post a review ๐
You have to remember that the success stories of the system are barely ever documented as they dont make an interesting read… I would be rather surprised if
Ex Bank Robber Gets Job and Swears Never to Commit a Crime Again
Was sprawled accross the tabloid press… You only hear where the system fails… I think it is important to consider this.
Would be interesting to know what percentage of serious offenders commit (serious) crimes after prison…
@TurksMeister wrote:
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This provides inmates an incentive to be good (obviously) during the sentence.The guys done a crime, why give him incentives to be good ? Give him some proper hard time and the incentive that if he steps out of line, his time is going to be increased!
Sorry turks, i can’t get on with being too liberal with criminals, give them whatever councilling is felt may be needed…fine! they have mental problems drug addicitions etc but no way should they be given a reduced term for being good!!! Thats the idea of jail………you go in, you serve a sentence, if you have a bit of nouce you realise that it ain’t a pretty place hence you behave how society should behave and you don’t do any more stir!
What happens to the victims of these people ? They were being good upright citizens and they got punished! By releasing the perpertrator early, your in effect punishing the victim……..
Your idea of voluntary euthanasia is ok, but that would only work if the sentence was akin to death……by that i mean that one would not choose to die if he knew that he only had to serve 15 or 20 years and would then be released, if however he knew that he was never coming out and that he faced 40 or 50 years inside of real hard time, not stiching pillow cases together or whatever they do but i’m talking real hard time; limited luxuries, chain gang type work….whatever it would be (i’m sure the more imaginatve amongst us could think of a few things) then perhaps the idea would have some real merit.
@TurksMeister wrote:
You have to remember that the success stories of the system are barely ever documented as they dont make an interesting read… I would be rather surprised if
Ex Bank Robber Gets Job and Swears Never to Commit a Crime Again
Was sprawled accross the tabloid press… You only hear where the system fails… I think it is important to consider this.
Would be interesting to know what percentage of serious offenders commit (serious) crimes after prison…
That’s the point turks.. We are not talking about bank robbers. We are talking about murderers. People who for kill someone else for no reason.
Well i say no reason i mean that they did not know there victim. They did not have a personal vendetta against the victim.You take a life you get life.
Anyway with the bird flu about to explode all over Britain i think they should make “hardcore” inmates work on chicken farms until bird flu is stamped out ๐
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